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Time For Boise State to Head to Big East

With Boise State reportedly about to receive an invitation to join the Big East, Boise State president Bob Kustra (pictured) and the Bronco fans seem less than thrilled about the offer. Kustra has said he hasn’t ruled out staying in the Mountain West Conference and 40% of fans voting on the Boise fan site OBNUG.com prefer staying in the MWC as opposed to just 33% that want to bolt.

And I understand the trepidation both parties have about ditching the MWC after just one season.

First of all, there’s the morality and loyalty issue. While those two things are a farce at most athletic departments (as we’ve seen over the last several months), those things matter immensely to the good folks of Idaho. And it would certainly look hypocritical for the same people that just ripped TCU for hop scotching from the Mountain West to the Big East to the Big 12 as part of a cash grab to then endorse a move for Boise to the Big East.

Then there’s the geographical issue. Yes, it will be absolutely brutal for fans and family to follow the Broncos on the road at the likes of Morgantown, WV, and Piscataway, NJ.

In turn, Boise backers are worried that being portrayed as an East Coast team and playing so many games east of the Mississippi River will hurt Boise’s recruiting efforts in California, which has become a pipeline of talent for the Broncos.

Boise State fans also aren’t thrilled that the Broncos are being invited for football only. The thought is, “If the Big East is so desperate to add Boise, why can’t they add the Broncos in all sports instead of requiring men’s basketball and others to find a conference for themselves?”

And finally there’s the issue of the automatic BCS bid. If the Broncos jump to the Big East and the conference loses its Automatic Qualifier status, the Broncos will be no better off than they are now, people say. And there is certainly reason for concern as people have already claimed the Big East doesn’t deserve an automatic bid – and that was before Syracuse, Pittsburgh and TCU were on their way out of the conference.

Yes, your complaints have been heard. But with all due respect, they are either short-sighted or heavily outweighed by the positives of moving to the Big East.

First of all, the major upside in all of this can’t be stressed enough: Money. The Big East receives nearly $10 million more each year than the Mountain West because of its automatic qualifier status and I highly doubt the BCS would strip the Big East of being an AQ conference with the likes of Boise State and West Virginia still in the conference. If you haven’t noticed, the BCS isn’t big on change.

Also, the Big East is about to get a new TV contract.

No, it won’t be nearly as much as the blockbuster deal the Pac-12 landed for $3 billion over 12 years, but it will certainly be a lot more than the dinky $200 million deal the conference is currently working off of – and much more than the Mountain West is getting from the fledgling Mtn. Network.

That money will do a lot of good for a Boise program that is currently undergoing a $100 million stadium renovation and expansion and has tacked on another $20 million for a football facility.

Speaking of television, heading to the Big East will get the Broncos back on ESPN nearly every week. After a season-opening win over Georgia, Boise State has virtually disappeared with games airing on the Mtn. Network and Versus because the MWC doesn’t do business with the Worldwide Leader.

How do you think coach Chris Petersen feels about not having his games seen nationally by recruits? Probably about the same way he feels about the MWC barring Boise State from wearing all-blue uniforms at home on the Smurf Turf, which he was quoted as calling “ridiculous.” And the idea that California recruits won’t want to travel East is misinformed. Eighteen-year old kids are more worried about what uniforms they are wearing for the game than how far they have to go to play.

Then there’s what would remain of the Mountain West Conference if Boise decided to stay. Fresno State, Hawaii and Nevada are on their way next year but without BYU (who left last summer), TCU leaving next summer and Air Force likely gone as well, the Bulldogs and Wolf Pack would probably join San Diego State as the top three teams in the conference immediately. That’s not good. Especially when you have the likes of Colorado State, New Mexico and UNLV scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

And with UCF, Houston and SMU likely gone from Conference USA, Boise State could look forward to MWC-C-USA title games between them and Southern Miss for years to come. Not exactly must-see TV.

Oh yeah, and if Boise fans thought getting a BCS bowl bid was already difficult, wait until they experience trying to get a BCS bid from the new Mountain West-C-USA alliance that will be even weaker than what the WAC used to be when Boise was a member. If the Broncos had a year when they weren’t able to schedule tough non-conference games to start the year, I think there’s a chance Boise could go undefeated in the new MWC and still get locked out of a BCS game.

And the biggest reason why Boise State needs to jump to the Big East? If the Broncos were stuck in a watered down Mountain West playing on Versus all the time, I don’t think it would take long until Petersen left Idaho. In his sixth year on the job, Petersen has remained immensely loyal to Boise’s program over the years, including turning down Stanford this past offseason in what many would see as a dream job for a Northern California native.

But how can Petersen expect to stay with Boise in a diluted conference with little national exposure when the Broncos decided to stay in the Mountain West for reasons like geographic sense and not getting all the sports invited?

Yes, the offer isn’t ideal for the Broncos and Boise fans can still lament getting passed over by the Pac-12 for Utah and not getting an invite to the Big 12.

But if they play their cards right, this will only last for a couple years until Boise can break into the Pac-12 or Big 12 for more money and a more natural fit.

And if Boise turns down the Big East, loses Petersen and falls back down to Earth after becoming a perennial top 10 team, they will only have themselves to blame.

Jim Weber is the founder and president of LostLettermen.com. His column appears each Monday.

 

 

10:01 AM on 10/17/2011
  • JR

    Geography 101, Idaho is in the northwest. Don’t bastardize the conference memberships with such foolishness as a Boise State move to such a conference as the Big East.

    • Anonymous

      Geography 101 doesn’t matter. What did he say in the very beginning? It’s about money! It’s sad, but that’s the truth.

      • JR

        Financially alone BSU would be better off avoiding the Big East. The move could easily backfire with fans from the Big East and BSU which would leave BSU with little options. A little patience waiting for a move to a local, superior conference to the Big East, e.g. Pac-12, IMO would be prudent financially.

      • JR

        If geography doesn’t matter, I suggest that the Big East conference change its name. Identity issues and chaos for the conference and BSU would certainly ensue if BSU makes the move.

      • Anonymous

        Without Boise State there is no Big least. There will be a new T.V. deal for the MWC and For CUSA because after they combine there veiwership will increase rapidly. Big least tv deal will not be bigger with no teams. Lastly there are still members to be leaving the Big least.

    • Anonymous

      With 12 teams, Big East would divide it’s conference up, West and East. So…the distance isn’t as bad as you might think.

    • Anonymous

      Why we’re at it, why don’t we just move Syracuse to the Pac 12 and send Washington State over with Boise State to the Big East.

    • Anonymous

      Get your academic house in order and upgrade your institution’s academic standing or you will never be invited into the Pac12, Big12, ACC, Big10 or any other Power conference. If you are not a Research istitution bringing in large grants and a distinguished faculty, you will not be invited in with the Big Boys. Football is just a small part of the equation. This is what Boise State fans just do not get!

      • JR

        That’s very true. Boise State’s certainly not in the same academic league as Stanford and Cal! It would be nice if Coach Pertersen’s could take the academics of his Alma mater, UC Davis, with the football talent of Boise State to the Pac-12.

      • RGDrafting

        They are already working on this. In the next few years they should be wrapping up a 10 year “Master Plan” that would make BSU a Metropolitan Research University of Distinction. I think that many people hear this talk about Boise not being a “Research” University, and assume that means that it’s a second rate school for those who can’t get into a better university…which isn’t really the case. This has just always been a “commuter college”…but about 10-15 years ago the population of Boise really exploded. And then with the BSU football program getting some national attention over the past 6 years or so, the school has had to try to keep up with an incredible growth and expansion.

  • Pete

    Boise State will do whatever is in the best interest for the team. If Coach Pete wants to go to the Big East, Boise will go there. For the short-term, it’s a good move but not in the long-term.

  • Greg

    Boise should stay put in the MWC. The big east is not done bleeding members yet and will likely lose it AQ status, which the C-USA MWC merger should certainly aquire according to many sources.

    • WV FAN

      the Big East is one of the original members of the BCS. If you read the original agreement, there is no mechanism to strip a conference of its’ AQ status. Once you’re in, you’re always in, as long as you have at least 8 teams in your conference. That’s the only requirement that would apply here. The Big East doesn’t have to lose its’ AQ status for another conference to get it. The same original agreement allows for 7 (seven) AQ conferences. The seventh spot has never been awarded.

      • David

        But when the contract is up in 2013 or 2014, the BCS evaluates the AQ conferences. They must meet requirements regarding average ranking of the conference over the past years and average ranking of the highest rated team. The Big East’s AQ was already in trouble before they lost members, which is why they add TCU as a 17th team last year.

        If Missouri bolts for the SEC, why wouldn’t the Big 12 add Houston, SMU and Boise to get back to 12 – doesn’t that seem like a better fit for all?

        • Anonymous

          Last I checked Pitt and Syracus were’nt ranked.

  • bubba

    This ain’t coach Petersen’s first rodeo… Boise may very well go to the Big East but whether they go or not has nothing to do with whether or not Petersen stays. He’s had a whole slew of opportunities (including the Stanford gig you mention) to jump ship. I just do not see him leaving….If he was going to bolt for a less impossible run at the National Championship game, he’d have bolted long ago.

    • Mark

      My thoughts EXACTLY. Pete isn’t a sellout, he’s staying true to his school. Thanks coach! GO BSU!

  • Sean

    I can’t believe Boise State fans are even pondering this. A move to the Big East is a no-brainer. The Big East is NOT going to lose its AQ status. It’s numbers (highest ranked team, ranking top to bottom) is equal or better than the ACC. They can’t take away the Big East’s spot and let the ACC keep theirs. And that’s without Boise.

    Besides, if Boise State joins, they are essentially opening up another spot for the big conferences (Big 10, SEC). As it is now, the Big East is guaranteed a spot and Boise State is basically guaranteed a spot by cruising through an easy schedule. Now those two spots become one — voila, more money for the SEC!

    The Conference USA/Mountain West merger will never, ever, ever, ever get an AQ spot. You think the Orange Bowl wants a 10-3 Colorado State in its game? Think the FIesta Bowl would like an 10-3 East Carolina? GIVE ME A BREAK.

    And the new Big East (as reported) would have two teams in Texas, two teams in Florida and a championship game in NEW YORK CITY. Gee, I wonder if California kids would rather play a title game in Yankee Stadium….or Southern Miss in Hattiesburg.

    Don’t forget the reason ESPN tried to destroy the Big East is because Fox & Comcast/NBC are looming to buy up more college properties for TV. Big East football = national TV. Mountain West football = irrelevance.

    • RJ

      I agree Sean, hopefully this gets settled soon, I think Boise will go BE.

    • Anonymous

      Sean,
      I think the BCS will rewrite their rules however they want whenever they want. That said, you are wrong about meeting the BCS criteria, without Boise and TCU (which won’t count toward the big east since they never were members) the Big East will not only be worse than the ACC but also a bit worse (in two of three key categories) than the MWC. If the BCS is to play by their own rules (which they will likely choose not to do), if Boise stays MWC then the BCS either has to give the MWC a slot OR take away the Big East’s.

    • stretchin it, Sean

      The BCS bowls have taken a 8-3 Pittsburgh and a 8-4 UConn, so yeah, a 10-3 Colorado State would work fine.

      The ACC is head and shoulders above the BEC in football! There is so much more quality depth top to bottom in the ACC than the 6 remnants that are now the BEC.

      The BEC is a sinking ship. That is why all the rats have gotten off, or are trying to escape by applying elsewhere:
      -Pitt, cuse to ACC.
      -Uconn, Rutgers applied/want to go to ACC
      -Wallflowers UofL, wvu will go wherever they can get an invite without looking back. but i think wvu has already be rejected by everyone short of the MWC.

    • AQ not guaranteed

      …if that was the case, the BE wouldn’t be working so hard at keeping it.

  • CJL

    If Boise State, Houston, SMU, and UCF joined the BE, the conference would have 3 currently ranked teams and 3 teams getting votes. That is MUCH better than what the current MWC has, with one team (Boise State of course) ranked, and no others getting votes. Seems like a no brainer for this Bronco fan. Sure, a couple hundred fans who are actually able to go to every road game will be upset, but for the university it’s a great option… for now.

  • BSUbluNorange

    “if Boise decided to stay. Fresno State, Hawaii and Nevada are on their way next year but without BYU (who left last summer)”

    FYI, BSU and BYU have a contract to play each other for the next 12 years. I’m all for the move to the Big East. Keep watching OBNUG.com, I think the attitude is trending towards Big East. We have a hard time accepting change over her in Boise haha

  • Adam

    I am pretty sure Coach Petersen will have a significant say on what he feels is best. If he is strongly supporting the move then they will move. If he prefers to stay in the MWC, then they will stay. Its not like Boise is going completely leave Coach Pete out of the loop. I wouldn’t worry about Peterson going anywhere.

  • Big East

    Big East = NO LONG TERM STABILITY
    Boise would be looking for another home in 2 years, tops.

    • JR

      “NO LONG TERM STABILITY”, that’s absolutely correct. Good point.

    • William

      Pac 12 anyone?

  • BobJersey

    This is crazy to have a team like Boise come to the East Coast. Who wants them

  • Bob Jersey

    We don’t want Boise.

  • IMO

    BSU fans seem to have a very short memory ! You are getting passed over again this year by the BCS ! They will never be fair to BSU as long as they are in a Cupcake Conference ! BSU should have won at least 1 National Title by now ! Penn State did not win 3 times with an undefeated record because they lacked a conference with clout. The Big East has it’s AQ Status til 2015. ESPN will FIRE anyone who trys to take it away ! Too Much TV revenue at stake ! MWC & C-USA will lose 3-5 of it’s best to the BE, but Boise will be BE Royalty and seen weekly in prime time(can you say recruit !!!!!!!!!!!).

  • Big East is Dead

    It looks like Louisville is leaving the Big East as well as WVU if the Big XII goes again. If that is the case the only shot the Big East has of maintaining the AQ spot is if all parties involved joined their basketball conference. Then you would have the Catholic Basketball schools running a league that has fell out of grace of college football by losing 7 members in less than 10 years. The best thing for everyone is to let the Big East die and the new CUSA/MWC take that last AQ spot. Then you can still have rivalries that are regional and the championship game each year could be huge. The top 5 teams in CUSA are ECU, Houston, SMU, Southern Miss and UCF. With ECU having a victory over Boise in the past 5 years. Should be a good conference especially if the Big East teams that get left out join back up with the CUSA side.

  • Chris

    Big XII meets in two weeks to determine size of conference … Boise would be best served waiting until then to decide where to go … if Big XII decides to got o 12 teams as most schools favor, then WVU and Louisville could be leaving the conference even if they have to pony up $10MM … at that point, they would not be best served being in Big East

  • Vandal

    Grab TCU, Stanford, ND, BYZoo, SMU, BSU and a few other teams with standards and form your own conference. That group will take some money away from the big boys.

  • boisefan from ohio

    im sorry the big east really when you lose pitt and syracuse and then maybe lousiville and cincinnati and maybe a west virginia to big 12 i mean really really big east has no long term substance i figure by 2013 all the confrences will go the super-conf everywhere. boise st there no rush to join the big east sit back and wait and really that chris petersen would leave gee where would he go he come to ohio state. by 2013 -14 ncaa football will be the super conf im saying that for a fact it will happen.

  • We need to get the heck outa the MWC !!

    Its going to end up like a huge WaC if we stay or not! I say Go to the big east!!! Go Broncos!!

  • YouDontMakeSense

    What school did you graduate from that enables you to write this garbage that you call, “journalism?” Boise was on ESPN numerous times. I saw Fresno State vs Boise on ESPN through Xbox. And a few others are on their too. Second, it is clear schools want to leave since the deal that was announced to raise the exit fee, really was a sugar coat to a nuclear candy. That deal made no sense and to be honest most would agree. Third, you stated it would not be better to stay in the MWC/C-USA merger because its a crappy conference and going to Big East has more potential. Please, MWC single handly is and has been better than the Big East for decades. Just look at the AP conference rank. Fourth, Boise stays then most everyone else stays, because AF and Houston is ready to stay if Boise stays, which will add depth to the conference and will spell demise to the Big East. AQ will be given to MWC/C-USA and trust me it will be given to them, I have no doubt. Why? You ask. Simple, whats worse a conference getting AQ status for which their productivity in football especially is far below another conference or a conference not getting AQ status from a less inferior Big East and then MWC asking to file a motion for an appeal, then, you guessed it the, “federal government” begin to take notice and get involved. I know the BCS don’t want that to happen, they been worried about this for years now. BCS will give the AQ to MWC/C-USA no doubt. Boise has to make a decision but the correct one is starring them in the face. Stay in MWC and get AQ because MWC and C-USA is ready to appeal and with good cause, especially since the Big East will dissipate and become the source for other conference to take it apart.

    You want to know how bad Big East is? Look no further than last weekend. Funny, Big East played all their games on a Saturday and they lost most of their games on that Saturday. Cin lost, Rutgers almost lost against Navy by one point. Let me repeat that Rutgers almost lost against Navy. These two teams are the prima-donnas of Big East in football this season. Really? Give me a break I don’t think you know what you are talking about. Big East is dieing and you to blind to see that.

    Journalism is a art don’t trash it.

    • Fact Checker

      Cincinnati won 25-16

  • Grumpy

    I concur with this article 100%. The people who are talking about this hurting the fans are only looking at a portion of the fans. The fact of the matter is that far more fans stay home and watch the game than actually go to a game (home or on the road), and for those folks, I hate to say it but the Mountain West definitely hurts the fans more by requiring them to buy the most expensive sports packages just to watch the stupid Mountain West Network and Versus. They get far more exposure with ESPN for the simple fact that anyone with a basic cable or satellite package has access to their games (to say nothing of the access that some ISPs provide with WatchESPN streaming for free). The bottom line is that Bronco Nation has to make some very tough choices. Do we want to be a stagnant or backsliding program (ie Idaho Vandals, sorry Vandals fans but it’s true) or do we want Boise State to continue to rise and play at the highest level? Is the move to the Big East risky? Absolutely. Is staying in the Mountain West risky? ABSOLUTELY FROM A LONG TERM PERSPECTIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If Boise State wants to continue to build it’s team and play at the highest possible level and keep it’s current coach around for a while then we need to be bold and take risks. The people who are talking the PAC12 or the Big 12 are living in a fantasy world. The Big 12 and PAC 12 are looking for huge media markets/endowments and the academic elite and let’s be honest with ourselves, Boise State doesn’t fit that category and won’t for years to come. We are way down on the list of teams for the Big 12 to potentially invite so I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one. On the flip-side if we got a few seasons of winning in the Big East, that could change, in which case that 10 mil buyout would be a sound investment. The bottom line is that Boise State has no long term future in a conference where it rarely has an opponent that ranks for an entire season and that it is going to be playing a championship game with another conference that doesn’t produce a ranked opponent on a regular basis. Add that to the fact that the worst team in the Big East generally doesn’t go between lower than a 4-8 or 3-9 record and the fact that the Mountain West and C-USA regularly have a couple of teams in the 2-10 or worse category (ie Memphis, UNLV, New Mexico, UAB) and it really doesn’t look good for them to stay in the MWC for the long run and they can’t afford to let the doors shut on them for the few slots/shots that they have at the BCS, no matter how risky they might be.

  • SH

    Many people just do not understand…..Boise fans are not trying to have the the biggest best research institution…We just want to beat everyone else in football…It is nice that those folks at BOISE STATE UNIVERSITY see that they can be helped in their pursuit of educational distinction by riding along…Whatever you want to call the place where the biggest and best play for all the marbles is where we want to go…will take any bus that goes there..like one called the Big East is fine..no snobbery here..WE JUST WANT TO BEAT YOU…WANNA PLAY ??????!

  • tb

    This isn’t a very good article. I don’t see any good reasons for Peterson wanting to leave.

    1. The author gives no real indication that he has any legitimate information as to Peterson’s feelings on the situation. In fact, Peterson seemed to be pretty loyal to Boise when they were in the WAC, AND when they made the move to the MWC. I think Peterson seems to be pretty comfortable with Boise’s ability to get into BCS games and to eventually get into a BCS conference. (As a side note – his feelings about blue jerseys don’t apply to this point in any way.)

    2. The BCS not being big on change is no reason to keep the Big East as a BCS conference. The real reasons have formulas and analysis. Everybody knows that.

    3. The point isn’t whether Boise’s players will want to travel eastward for their conference games. The point is whether the fans will be able to travel. Sure, they’ll want to travel, but will they have the time and money to take a vacation day every Friday and pay for plane tickets to LGA? Doubtful. Their fan representation would be minimal at away games.

    4. There are no guarantees that the Big East will get more money when they are losing teams. We don’t even know if the BE will still exist in five years. I wouldn’t make a deal with them.

    The only reason I could see Boise leaving (or Peterson leaving) is because of the Mtn. network, which is likely the biggest mistake of the MWC’s existence and a big reason why Utah, BYU and TCU left the conference.

    • Grumpy

      I disagree with most of what you said (see my post above) except for the last. The Mountain will kill us eventually because it severely limits the exposure of the football team. Even in the Boise area your only two options for getting the Mtn is by having the most expensive cable or satellite package (and only on Sat if you have Direct TV, Dish customers are left out in the cold). On the other hand anyone who has a basic package with any service provider has access to ESPN and in a slightly higher package CBS Sports. It is absolutely STUPID for a person to be required to have 4 different networks just to watch 12 games of a given football team. The other thing though that I pointed out above is what happens if BSU stays and say Air Force, Houston, UCF and SMU bolt? All these schools have either good funding, media markets or some major contribution (as well as football teams that generally produce winning seasons). How on earth is the MWC/C-USA merger going to get AQ status or additional funding with those teams gone? That is the danger that I see, which ultimately sees Boise State being a stagnant team and becoming like the U of I of the last couple of years. How many years can you continue to have a beat down of Hawaii, Fresno State, Nevada and the other bottom feeders and then one or two BCS wins and have any credibility or any hope of playing for a national championship. Sacrifices need to be made and IMHO the traveling fans extra distance is a small price to pay when you look at the potential benefits and rewards of moving with the best non-AQs to a conference that already has a perennial ranked top 25 team (West Virginia). I know that stability is a concern but as mentioned it is the same in both conferences but at least in the Big East we get a better shot and some new competition that will overall add more credibility to our schedule.

  • Rebelmadness08

    It’s funny that someone brought up the Mtn as the reasons why UTAH And BYU left the conference. They were the two biggest supporters of doing the deal with the mountain because ESPN had offered WAC type money and less guaranteed games then going with the mountain network. It sucks that the mountain isn’t every where but it is nice to always be able to watch your teams play if you do have it. Directtv carries it and if your a native to the MWC footprint then you get it locally and in HD. Also the MTN contract is up in 2 years. With the merger of these two conferences the TV contract and payout will be going up. Do you think that espn is going to make the same mistake of not paying the conference? Lets face it when the mwc was formed there was not a outstanding team being a bowl buster till the last five years of the MWC. If these teams leave other teams will rise up to challenge.

    • tb

      I can see the idea for the Mtn being a very good one, as long as people can actually GET the network. I’m a BYU fan and even though I can see all of their games now, I’m still bitter about not being able to watch them last year (except for highlights on Youtube). Missing the entire Jimmer POY season was the WORST (which, frankly, I’m still somewhat surprised he got the award when most people were only able to see him play in ~5-7 games).

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